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Yusuf Ali. Before the destruction came to them, Hud and his small group of followers escaped the area and were spared the punishment. The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Im also inclined to believe that these nine families were the direct descendents of those believers who escaped the land of the Aad with Hud. They were Giants and so powerful. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. As their material wealth increased so, too, did their evil ways while their virtue decreased. Salam. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. A Reminder of the Story of 'Aad and Thamud by Ibn Kathir, taken from Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Abridged), Volume 8 Darussalam 2000 As for `Ad, they were arrogant in the land without right and they said: 'Who is mightier than us in strength?' See they not that Allah Who created them was mightier in strength than them. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. On the first day, their skin would turn yellow; on the second day, red; and on the final day of destruction, black. For one, Allah certainly mentions that the Thamud were successors to the Aad. As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. There is no possibility that these were houses. Do you construct on every elevation a sign amusing yourselves? One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. Yes, the Thamd denied their Lordso away with the Thamd! A little later, Pliny, the Elder (d. 79 AD), a Roman historian, while writing hisNatural History,mentions theThamudaei5 a people dominant in Hegra, adjoining the Nabataeans. (41:13) In sura 15, there seems to be a chronological order: At first the story of Adam (as) is mentioned (26-50), then the story of Abraham (as) and Lot (as) (51-77), then the story of the people of al-Rass,i.e. This law they hold because they judge that those who possess these things will be easily compelled by powerful men to do what is ordered them because of their enjoyment of these things. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. So you must also monitor your life for the signs that youre receiving. A similar narrative can be found in Jeremiah 49:16 Traditional Quranic commentaries assumed that they were a South Arabian people, but it turns out, they had their base in Wadi Ramm in present-day Jordan. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. The hadith reports the prophet (pbuh) as having passed Median Saleh and described the ruins as their dwellings referring to the Thamud. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. And they were also well-built because they still exist today. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. Also sorry with wadi alQura where is that place because you mention in your article that is the place and it is different but where is it in saudia Arabia like how far from madain saleh and where is it near because they dont show it on the maps, 4. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. We cannot preclude the notion that structures that are completely different from what has been found so far, will be found in the future. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. Dont ever think youre indespensible. As we know, he gave the nations some period until the determined day of punishment. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. But I digress. And God knows best. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . (3). The calamity must have been fairly extensive in area and intense in the terror it inspired for it is described as a single mighty blast, the sort of terror inspiring noise which accompanies all big earthquakes.. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). [18] According to the Quran, the Thamud were the successors of a previous nation called the d, who had also been destroyed for their sins. and make your nest among the stars, Thank you for answering my questions thanks I just have 2 more questions then Im done then ill leave it jazzakkallah Can it be said that the Thamud made wells and their successors i.e. Verses 15:80-83describe its inhabitants as carving their homes out of mountains and being decimated by a loud shriek characteristics ascribed by the Quran elsewhere to the people of Thamud2. 4 Though you soar like the eagle The Qu'ran (89: 6-13) refers to the 'Ad people; the unique high peaks of Iram, and the Thamud who carved the rocks there, and has been interpreted as an account of how 'Allah dealt harshly with the people of 'Ad who were corrupted by wealth and the delights of the flesh. Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? Traduzioni in contesto per "heard roaring" in inglese-italiano da Reverso Context: These are the ones we heard roaring on Friday. In light of these points, in my opinion the only reasonable conclusion is one of the following: 1) That the dwellings of Thamud were destroyed some time between The Expedition of Tabuk and today. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Another inscription from the same temple mentions Aad by name, and reads, by Ghawth son of Aslah son of Thokam and he constructed the temple of Allt, of the people of Ad. It sure is something to ponder over and come up with a hujja to explain. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. Its almost impossible to know for certain that the many tombs with Nabatean inscriptions are indeed constructed by them, especially when we know that only 15% of the area in Petra has been excavated and examined. JazakAllah. However, not all of them were destroyed; Salih and hisfollowers continued to live on. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. Sorry for such a late response. [3] Nigel Groom, Frankincense and Myrrh, A Study of the Arabian Incense Trade, Longman, London and New York; Librairie du Liban, Beirut, 1981, p. 189, pg. The Kingdom of Thamud was the first existing kingdom on the Arabian peninsula, according to Assyrian and Roman sources. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. You would only make my loss greater. Ruins of Aad and Thamood existed at time of Prophet sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam Assalaamu alaykum I was wondering does verse 2938 of the Quran mean that the houses of Aad and Thamud are still standing and that we can see them If Aad were destroyed there is nothing left of Aad apart from their land so their houses have fallen down and if they were not standing in Prophet Muhammads sallallaahu . The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. Doesnt 14:45 talk about there dwellings were standing tall untouched, If you could get back to me that would be great jazzakkallah, 14. Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. The caliphate also allowed the migration of Arab tribes to Egypt. Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not What are the Sunnahs and etiquettes that we should >>> , - ?____ Fatwa . The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. Thus, Nabataeans later reused the rocks and made them to graves. Its like me living in a house, then someone tears it down and then builds another house and says Abdullah used to live in that house while the fact is that I did not. Here is the summary of his opinion: ( ) which only proves that al-Hijr was also the land of the Thamud which is not a problem. Nigel Groom said that Sargon II recorded his subjugations of the tribe of Tamud in 715 BCE, that Agatharchides refers to the land of the Thamoudenian Arabs, Diodorus Sicilus refers to the Thamudeni, Pliny speaks of the Tamudaei, Ptolemy mentioned the Thamudiatea and also the Thamydeni and a Nabatean inscription dated to 166-169 CE refers to the nation or federation of the Thamudeans.[3][4]. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. The Thamud ( Arabic: , romanized : amd) were an ancient Arabian tribe or tribal confederation [1] that occupied the northwestern Arabian peninsula between the late-eighth century BCE, when they are attested in Assyrian sources, and the fifth century CE, when they served as Roman auxiliaries. It was these nine families that cause much of the problems for Salih. ""- . Instead, the camel is killed by a certain "accursed Amar", and the camel's foal stands upon a rock and curses Thamud, leading to the tribe's annihilation except for a single lame woman who is spared to spread the message of the destruction. In addition, when the verses talk about Verily there is a sign in this, it doesnt necessarily mean that we have to see the sign i.e. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. An envoy was sent to the nations to say, One may argue that they existed until 106 CE, i.e. Ptolemy, who lived in the second century, wrote that the "Thamuditai" tribe inhabited the Red Sea coastline, and that the "Thamoudenoi" tribe lived in inland northwestern Arabiaeither or both may be references to the Thamdwhile his contemporary Uranius believed that the Thamd neighbored the Nabateans. Thamud were destroyed [24] Whether the poem is genuinely by Umayya or is a post-Islamic creation is a matter of debate. Being Dutiful to Parents: Islamic knowledge, The Door to Eternal Paradise: Islamic knowledge. What we do know about the Edomites, historically, is that they lived in and around Petra before the Nabateans came. And perhaps, just like the Aad before them, they forgot the faith of Tawheed practiced by their ancestors and slipped into worhsiping idols. [2] The Thamud are not specially connected to the Thamudic scripts, an aggregate term for understudied writing systems of Ancient Arabia. There was a great influx of Arab tribes into Khuzestan from the 16th to the 19th century, including the migration of the Banu Ka'b and Banu Lam from the Arabian desert. Updates? No doubt! The Thamud demanded and received a sign from Allah. from there I will bring you down, These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! where they used to live. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . So nothing availed them [from] what they used to earn. And perhaps, over the generations, these people developed their own magnificent society with its own special hallmarks and characteristics. Therefore, the Aad were a society that sprung up from the survivors of the flood, perhaps some of the same people who rode in the Ark with Prophet Noah (AS). [18], On the eve of the Rashidun Caliphate's conquest of the Levant, 634 AD, Syria's population mainly spoke Aramaic; Greek was the official language of administration. The Bible Thamud were destroyed He said: ., Do not enter (the dwelling places) of these people unless you enter weeping, but if you weep not, then do not enter upon them, lest you be afflicted with what they were afflicted with [Bukhari]. The fact that he showed them the well of the she-camel and confirmed the area as geographically related to Thamd but made no comment on the tombs shows that he knew they were unrelated to any previous Prophet. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). Furthermore, their prophets, Hud and Salih, are often considered two fo the four Arab prophets that Allah sent to mankind. I think its just like 43:47, 21:12, 32:26 and 37:73. The Christians are claiming that the Qurans statement about Thamud carving structures in the hills and mountains is demonstrably false as the structures are built not by the Thamud but by the Nabateans, who came much later. In the worst cases, they may even go so far as to challenge Allah. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Secondly, 15:81 makes it clear that they denied a Messenger sent to them and were destroyed as a consequence. 5. Hence I clearly mentioned in my original comment that this seems to be the weakest of all interpretations. And they used to deny Our Ayat! They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. Large numbers of Bani Rasheed are also found on the Arabian Peninsula. But they almost always have some other deities included in their pantheon. If anyone has evidence of at least one dead body having been found in the recesses, Im open to change my mind. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. Claim that the Edomites are not Thamud thus the verses are irrelevant. "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. We have heard a message from the LORD: After all, camels were and still are pretty common in that part of the world. Further confirmation of their service under the Romans, comes via a late 4th (or early 5th century) military document Notitia Dignitatum, which clealy mentions two cavalry units of Thamud, one serving in Egypt and the other in Palestine. Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. 2. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih), Forty Hadith al-Nawawi in English and Arabic, Al-Aqidah al-Tahawiyyah in English and Arabic, Forty Hadith on Purification of the Heart. (sorry for all the writting just answer the atharan bit and the 7 things I just wrote Down it doesnt matter about that long paragraph in the middle), Or bonus it just means they were better in building houses on past witch you cant see anymore like effects in 30:50, Any thoughts Bro sorry to keep bothering you with this, Aoa He who had faith said (to Pharaoh and his company): O my people, I fear for you the likes of the day of the confederates, the likes of the fate of the people of Noah, Ad, and Thamud and those after them. The Quran itself says that the dwellings of Thamud were khawiyatan during the time of the Qurans revelation. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. I would rather think that the Thamud were more like two or three hundred years after the Aad. Let me explain who they are People Aad, and they are said to be called Aad by the name of their father, an extinct Arab tribe mentioned in the Qur'an . Over time, some say nine generations, these people developed a society that was very powerful, wealthy, and influential. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. Have not read their own bibles. The Nabateans have not left us with any records, thus inscriptions become the primary dating of these structures. Asking the deceased for supplications or intercession? Heavy contact with Romans resulted in us having a pretty decent record of its territories and people. Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. It is estimated by some historians that Moses (s) lived around the 16th century BCE. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. I would be interested in your response to my other points as well. According to Arab traditions, tribes are divided into different divisions called Arab skulls ( ), which is a term given to a group of tribes of the Arabian Peninsula, which are described in the traditional custom of strength, abundance, victory, and honor. We do not take it as a science book and neither should we take it as a book of archaeology. Thus, at the end, the people of al-Hijr are mentioned. An archeologist studying Mount Rushmore 2000 years after the inscriptions may well deduce that the statues of Mount Rushmore were made by Latin Americans and even guess the date incorrectly. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, The Quran and quoted Hadiths indicate that the buildings of the Thamud were visible at the time of the Prophet () as signs to the Arabs.

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